Evo4Mad wrote:hey jjf, Yeah I had taken some comments that I had received from others towards innovate lc-1 capabilities, and I now have one myself and found that I was wrong, and it does indeed work with a serial port...
Let's be accurate. You posted a specific question about parsing the data from an LC-1 serial port back at the end of September (9/30/06) - (
link).
Then, you specifically claimed that you had confirmed that LC-1s have no serial port at the beginning of December (12/9/05) - (
link).
More oddly, you began talking about your own support for LC-1 serial output a day after Klaus pointed out your serial reading and parsing mistake, and continued to disucss LC-1 comm ports through Novemer (
link).
Evo4Mad wrote:...although I was left high and dry by Innovate trying to get logworks to work with it, and I finally figured out that an SDK needed to be installed which was not mentioned in any innovate docs or forums. And found others on forums with the same problem. I was left to figure all this stuff out for myself, which I'm used to doing.
Yes, you did make that claim - during PRI - (
link) but never responded when I explained to you that your technical assessment is impossible. The SDK is an ActiveX control, which searches the registry and then invokes the same DLL's used by LogWorks for communication with an LC-1. Similiarly, you never saw fit to provide a source domain for your alleged unanswered support emails so we could do a second search through the mail server logs (we take customer service very seriously).
Evo4Mad wrote:I have been asking for help on MUT stuff for over 4 yrs now, and I have never received anything from anyone else. I have shared my findings with others and now logworks and mitsilogger have the capabilities thanks to my efforts. I'm sorry its slow progress, but its better than waiting another 4yrs for someone else to figure all this out.
I'm sorry, this is the first time it has been intimated that any of my work has anything what so ever to do with yours. Certainly, when you last posted on our forum (
link) you seemed to imply that ours was a wholly different implementation and presumably inferior to your own (once again, I addressed the actual technical aspects involved).
As far as rather or not MJ is deeply in your debt, I cannot say. From a little forum searching here and there it appears that his work has been pretty independant and open, but I could be wrong (and he has already noted above that you've accused him of copying your source).
As far as my implementation, I can safely say that my initial implementation has zero to do with you, MJ, Donour, or anyone else. It comes entirely from two one hour visits to a shop - armed with my trusty Tektronix o-scope and my laptop. In fact, the only IDs that I put in my protocol file were those I had directly deciphered from those experiments.
Every line of source is written from scratch - and publicly viewable. The only help that I have received has been from MJ, who was kind enough to answer my questions when I set out to add support for some of the ECU hacks that people were implementing in the Evo world, and, of course, users who have been kind enough to send me traces from a little test I wrote, which helped me debug cable/ecu combinations that I don't have ready access to.
If you think it is impossible to figure out basic logging functionality with a short session and the right tools, ask Naji. I did the same thing with his XEDE when he dropped by our office.
Frankly, both your attitude and behavior baffle me. With four years of effort, what possible difference could my few weeks of sporadic work in this area make? We've offered you nothing but support and encouragement when it came to augmenting your own work with our products, and all my efforts in this area are open source!
Mitsulogger, ecuEdit, ecuExplorer, Enginuity, etc. all would appear to be in the same basic position, but all those folks seem to either find the simple LogWorks plug-ins either irrelevant to their work, or a generally good thing for the community. Certainly I've received no resentment when it comes to direct contributions to their projects. In fact, the only hostility I have received has been from a salesman who doesn't even seem to know the relationship between lambda and AFR - and you.
-jjf